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	<title>Comments for Judith Hurwitz&#039;s Cloud-Centric Weblog</title>
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	<description>A pragmatic and common sense view of the world of software</description>
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		<title>Comment on Predicting the future of computing by understanding the past by bradmkjr</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/predicting-the-future-of-computing-by-understanding-the-past/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>bradmkjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post,

I came to the realization a few years ago the industry is a cycle. If you watch the location of computation, you can watch it move, from the datacenter, to the personal computer, back to the server farm, and I think we will see it start to spread out into the mesh within the next few years. With the cost of low powered devices like the iphone or handhelds start to surpass that of low end desktop pcs, in speed and storage capacity. The computation will be back in the leaf nodes again, with the server farms used for storage and deep searching.

My 2 cents,
Bradford Knowlton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post,</p>
<p>I came to the realization a few years ago the industry is a cycle. If you watch the location of computation, you can watch it move, from the datacenter, to the personal computer, back to the server farm, and I think we will see it start to spread out into the mesh within the next few years. With the cost of low powered devices like the iphone or handhelds start to surpass that of low end desktop pcs, in speed and storage capacity. The computation will be back in the leaf nodes again, with the server farms used for storage and deep searching.</p>
<p>My 2 cents,<br />
Bradford Knowlton</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can IBM become a business leader and a software leader? by Graham Perry</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/can-ibm-become-a-business-leader-and-a-software-leader/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe one of the aspects to emerge from cloud computing is collaboration between vendors?

No longer will it be Oracle versus SAP, perhaps a customer will get the best application from company A, the best application from company B and all data will become integrated and work seamlessly (with a sprinkling of pixie dust).

At that point maybe IBM will collaborate with other software vendors (with a sprinkling of pixie dust) instead of buying them and stifling innovation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one of the aspects to emerge from cloud computing is collaboration between vendors?</p>
<p>No longer will it be Oracle versus SAP, perhaps a customer will get the best application from company A, the best application from company B and all data will become integrated and work seamlessly (with a sprinkling of pixie dust).</p>
<p>At that point maybe IBM will collaborate with other software vendors (with a sprinkling of pixie dust) instead of buying them and stifling innovation?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oracle Plus Sun: What does it mean? by Judith</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/oracle-plus-sun-what-does-it-mean/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re working on our new website and we will have a newsletter that will alert you to new blog posts. You can also subscribe via the RSS feed. I am glad you enjoyed the blog post. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re working on our new website and we will have a newsletter that will alert you to new blog posts. You can also subscribe via the RSS feed. I am glad you enjoyed the blog post. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oracle Plus Sun: What does it mean? by gegeSmulgeNem</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/oracle-plus-sun-what-does-it-mean/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>gegeSmulgeNem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing Article , I thought it was  exceptional

I look forward to more interesting postings like this one. Does Your Blog have a newsletter I can subscribe to for new posts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing Article , I thought it was  exceptional</p>
<p>I look forward to more interesting postings like this one. Does Your Blog have a newsletter I can subscribe to for new posts?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can IBM become a business leader and a software leader? by Richie</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/can-ibm-become-a-business-leader-and-a-software-leader/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IBM has never given up the mainframe. It&#039;s cloud world is just the mainframe re-heated once more. The distributed computing world was always planned to be a world centered on....guess what? The mainframe!

Don&#039;t be fooled by IBM....the world hasn&#039;t changed for them. It&#039;s just that the cloud concept that&#039;s now in can hide the mainframe better than any other recent trend...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBM has never given up the mainframe. It&#8217;s cloud world is just the mainframe re-heated once more. The distributed computing world was always planned to be a world centered on&#8230;.guess what? The mainframe!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled by IBM&#8230;.the world hasn&#8217;t changed for them. It&#8217;s just that the cloud concept that&#8217;s now in can hide the mainframe better than any other recent trend&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Judith Hurwitz by Devendra Nambiar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devendra Nambiar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud Computing has a place like SAAS, Managed Service etc and I don’t believe it is the ubiquitous solution for all.  It also isn’t an entirely new concept, but rather a modified version of Bureau Service, Utility Computing …etc. All these provided computing services at a cost depending on the solutions required.

In addition, the real economics of Could Computing is not well understood and currently there is a fair bit of Hype and emotions attached to it.

To add to this, a lot of issues that are not easy to sort out for example, licenses, data security, intellectual property and the depended connectivity contracts and Service levels…etc could present some interesting challenges.

But, what bugs me most is the “Real economics of Cloud Computing” from the major infrastructure  Vendors perspective as this would most definitely cannibalise their market, and what would drive them to support this as the ubiquitous solution?

I’m not against Cloud Computing but feel that some caution is required before we “throw the baby out with the bath water”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud Computing has a place like SAAS, Managed Service etc and I don’t believe it is the ubiquitous solution for all.  It also isn’t an entirely new concept, but rather a modified version of Bureau Service, Utility Computing …etc. All these provided computing services at a cost depending on the solutions required.</p>
<p>In addition, the real economics of Could Computing is not well understood and currently there is a fair bit of Hype and emotions attached to it.</p>
<p>To add to this, a lot of issues that are not easy to sort out for example, licenses, data security, intellectual property and the depended connectivity contracts and Service levels…etc could present some interesting challenges.</p>
<p>But, what bugs me most is the “Real economics of Cloud Computing” from the major infrastructure  Vendors perspective as this would most definitely cannibalise their market, and what would drive them to support this as the ubiquitous solution?</p>
<p>I’m not against Cloud Computing but feel that some caution is required before we “throw the baby out with the bath water”</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tectonic shifts: HP Plus 3Com versus Cisco Plus EMC by Judith</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/teutonic-shifts-hp-plus-3com-versus-cisco-plus-emc/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with you that 3Com&#039;s relationships in China are very important for HP.  It is indeed a very interesting time in the technology market -- I don&#039;t think the excitement will end any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with you that 3Com&#8217;s relationships in China are very important for HP.  It is indeed a very interesting time in the technology market &#8212; I don&#8217;t think the excitement will end any time soon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are the Unanticipated consequences of the cloud &#8211; part II by Judith</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/unintended-consequences-of-the-cloud-part-ii/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a mainframe that runs the Linux operating system and the same middleware as a high end server why isn&#039;t it similar to any high end server? In my view it is not correct to say that clouds do not have a fixed location for its hardware resources. Any cloud data center is a physical computing environment. The newer generation of mainframes may actually be more cost effective in running and managing complex workloads. It avoids some of the complexities inherent in running hundreds or thousands of servers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a mainframe that runs the Linux operating system and the same middleware as a high end server why isn&#8217;t it similar to any high end server? In my view it is not correct to say that clouds do not have a fixed location for its hardware resources. Any cloud data center is a physical computing environment. The newer generation of mainframes may actually be more cost effective in running and managing complex workloads. It avoids some of the complexities inherent in running hundreds or thousands of servers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tectonic shifts: HP Plus 3Com versus Cisco Plus EMC by GregO</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/teutonic-shifts-hp-plus-3com-versus-cisco-plus-emc/#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>GregO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J –

There are a couple of other interesting parts of the deal that you did not mention. 

1.)	55% of 3Com revenue is in China. How much this deal helps HP in China is not to be overlooked.

2.)	I wonder how the Virtual Computing Environment Coalition VCE and it’s vBlock or vLocks (see http://vaa.ulitzer.com/node/1188479) will deal with coordinating sales forces. People are people and who sells the lock-in is much more then a commission split. The egos at VMC (VMware + EMC for those following the bouncing 3 letter acronyms) and Cisco sales forces are how I should say big or huge or even larger then that.

3.)	Jack started the whole thing when he decide to get into the sever business. HP basically had a gun to its head. I thought for sure that HP was going to buy Juniper.

4.)	The fear of the world ending or the next great depression is over. It is play to win time and that means breaking out the check book and buying some long term competitive advantage. The bankers and the lawyers are smiling again. What a difference 200 days makes.

GregO CEO Appzero.
www.appzero.com
www.twitter.com/gregoryjoconnor
vaa.ulitzer.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J –</p>
<p>There are a couple of other interesting parts of the deal that you did not mention. </p>
<p>1.)	55% of 3Com revenue is in China. How much this deal helps HP in China is not to be overlooked.</p>
<p>2.)	I wonder how the Virtual Computing Environment Coalition VCE and it’s vBlock or vLocks (see <a href="http://vaa.ulitzer.com/node/1188479)" rel="nofollow">http://vaa.ulitzer.com/node/1188479)</a> will deal with coordinating sales forces. People are people and who sells the lock-in is much more then a commission split. The egos at VMC (VMware + EMC for those following the bouncing 3 letter acronyms) and Cisco sales forces are how I should say big or huge or even larger then that.</p>
<p>3.)	Jack started the whole thing when he decide to get into the sever business. HP basically had a gun to its head. I thought for sure that HP was going to buy Juniper.</p>
<p>4.)	The fear of the world ending or the next great depression is over. It is play to win time and that means breaking out the check book and buying some long term competitive advantage. The bankers and the lawyers are smiling again. What a difference 200 days makes.</p>
<p>GregO CEO Appzero.<br />
<a href="http://www.appzero.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.appzero.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.twitter.com/gregoryjoconnor" rel="nofollow">http://www.twitter.com/gregoryjoconnor</a><br />
vaa.ulitzer.com</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are the Unanticipated consequences of the cloud &#8211; part II by dh</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/unintended-consequences-of-the-cloud-part-ii/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>dh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is cloud computing any different then IBM mainframe centric computing model? I don&#039;t believe it is. Hosting data is much better suited to business than owning distributed computing power (networked PCs). Cloud computing is about having a data stream in a place so multiple processes can be employed on it but whoever is hosting doesn&#039;t have the responsibility for it. The mainframe was location-fixed, the cloud isn&#039;t. So I think it&#039;s just mainframes (centralized) that aren&#039;t locality linked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is cloud computing any different then IBM mainframe centric computing model? I don&#8217;t believe it is. Hosting data is much better suited to business than owning distributed computing power (networked PCs). Cloud computing is about having a data stream in a place so multiple processes can be employed on it but whoever is hosting doesn&#8217;t have the responsibility for it. The mainframe was location-fixed, the cloud isn&#8217;t. So I think it&#8217;s just mainframes (centralized) that aren&#8217;t locality linked.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tectonic shifts: HP Plus 3Com versus Cisco Plus EMC by Joanne</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/teutonic-shifts-hp-plus-3com-versus-cisco-plus-emc/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent parting question Judith...that&#039;s where CA comes in.  We live in the type of complexity that will be created, that always gets created amongst war&#039;ing giants.  We help bridge with the basics such as Performance &amp; Availability, Security, Service Mgmt and other key IT disciplines.  Thanks for this article, you have validated our strategy of enabling and empowering customers to take advantage of all of these trends. Joanne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent parting question Judith&#8230;that&#8217;s where CA comes in.  We live in the type of complexity that will be created, that always gets created amongst war&#8217;ing giants.  We help bridge with the basics such as Performance &amp; Availability, Security, Service Mgmt and other key IT disciplines.  Thanks for this article, you have validated our strategy of enabling and empowering customers to take advantage of all of these trends. Joanne</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ten things I learned while writing Cloud Computing for Dummies by EntrepreneurialC</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/536/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>EntrepreneurialC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judith, I happened to be the guy sitting at the table next to you at Starbucks, oh, about 20 minutes ago.  Love the internet -- It took one search and one refined search to find you here.  If you happen to be in the area and interested in coffee sometime, would enjoy talking business, cloud, technology, et cetera.

And as much as I was trying to filter and not listen to the conversation going on next to me (you&#039;ll see from my site why that was really, really hard to do), really liked what I couldn&#039;t help overhearing.

Congratulations on getting the book published!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judith, I happened to be the guy sitting at the table next to you at Starbucks, oh, about 20 minutes ago.  Love the internet &#8212; It took one search and one refined search to find you here.  If you happen to be in the area and interested in coffee sometime, would enjoy talking business, cloud, technology, et cetera.</p>
<p>And as much as I was trying to filter and not listen to the conversation going on next to me (you&#8217;ll see from my site why that was really, really hard to do), really liked what I couldn&#8217;t help overhearing.</p>
<p>Congratulations on getting the book published!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is cloud security really different than data center security? by Judith</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/is-cloud-security-really-different-than-data-center-security/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a questionnaire will be very useful.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Is cloud security really different than data center security? by Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At future CSA Security Guidance, there will be summary description on security considerations under IAAS/PAAS/SAAS scenario. Yes, that&#039;s a very long questionnaire you should finish before you make your decision to move to public cloud. However, some of them are similar to the traditional vendor/outsourcing evaluation. Personally, I think the key points are control and accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At future CSA Security Guidance, there will be summary description on security considerations under IAAS/PAAS/SAAS scenario. Yes, that&#8217;s a very long questionnaire you should finish before you make your decision to move to public cloud. However, some of them are similar to the traditional vendor/outsourcing evaluation. Personally, I think the key points are control and accountability.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why all workloads don&#8217;t belong in the cloud by babak hosseinzadeh</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/why-all-workloads-dont-belong-in-the-cloud/#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>babak hosseinzadeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://soa-biz.blogspot.com/2009/11/workload-analysis-in-cloud-computing.html</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why all workloads don&#8217;t belong in the cloud by mmaciag</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmaciag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece and I wholeheartedly agree that, “Not all workloads belong in the cloud.”

There has been a lot of buzz that Dev/Test workloads are cloud ready.  In reality,  they face the same challenge that you lay out for other applications- how do you determine which are the best for the cloud?

This is especially important since most enterprise Dev/Test requires a combination of cloud, physical and virtual compute resources and the integration and orchestration of dozens of tools in the  tool chain   For those that are interested, I try to address how to determine which Dev/Test workloads are cloud ready in the following post.    http://tinyurl.com/ykqjanh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece and I wholeheartedly agree that, “Not all workloads belong in the cloud.”</p>
<p>There has been a lot of buzz that Dev/Test workloads are cloud ready.  In reality,  they face the same challenge that you lay out for other applications- how do you determine which are the best for the cloud?</p>
<p>This is especially important since most enterprise Dev/Test requires a combination of cloud, physical and virtual compute resources and the integration and orchestration of dozens of tools in the  tool chain   For those that are interested, I try to address how to determine which Dev/Test workloads are cloud ready in the following post.    <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ykqjanh" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ykqjanh</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on What are the Unanticipated consequences of the cloud &#8211; part II by Judith</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/unintended-consequences-of-the-cloud-part-ii/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you bring up a very important issue. There are clearly management issues that have to be addressed. While we might use cloud as a delivery method it should not let anyone off the hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you bring up a very important issue. There are clearly management issues that have to be addressed. While we might use cloud as a delivery method it should not let anyone off the hook.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What are the Unanticipated consequences of the cloud &#8211; part II by Graham Perry</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/unintended-consequences-of-the-cloud-part-ii/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud computing raises some very interesting procurement and management challenges:

Currently, if you want to buy an ERP system you would run a beauty parade of vendors and technically evaluate the system on functionality and performance.

The cloud changes all this as you can &#039;patch&#039; applications together to support your business processes. But you are moving into an area where you will not have a great degree of control over service delivery.

As the cloud becomes real new management roles will have to be created and these roles will use new tools.

Will the Cloud Information Officer be a common title in a few years? Judith mentions service management vendors becoming &#039;king of the hill&#039; - they probably will. Their tools will give the Cloud Information Officer masses of reports on levels of service.

But, if the service to our end-users fails or the performance is poor, who do we call? The ERP vendor? Whoever is runninng our cloud services? Google?

Where will accountability lie and how will problems get resolved quickly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud computing raises some very interesting procurement and management challenges:</p>
<p>Currently, if you want to buy an ERP system you would run a beauty parade of vendors and technically evaluate the system on functionality and performance.</p>
<p>The cloud changes all this as you can &#8216;patch&#8217; applications together to support your business processes. But you are moving into an area where you will not have a great degree of control over service delivery.</p>
<p>As the cloud becomes real new management roles will have to be created and these roles will use new tools.</p>
<p>Will the Cloud Information Officer be a common title in a few years? Judith mentions service management vendors becoming &#8216;king of the hill&#8217; &#8211; they probably will. Their tools will give the Cloud Information Officer masses of reports on levels of service.</p>
<p>But, if the service to our end-users fails or the performance is poor, who do we call? The ERP vendor? Whoever is runninng our cloud services? Google?</p>
<p>Where will accountability lie and how will problems get resolved quickly?</p>
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		<dc:creator>chuck goolsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Datacenter security and Network security are entirely different things. In the case of Cloud Computing (as it is defined at the moment) you have to trust your Cloud provider to handle both. In the case of datacenter physical security it is in the provider&#039;s best interest to have a secure facility. In the case of an &quot;EDDoS&quot; scenario one could argue it is NOT in the provider&#039;s economic best interest to block an attack. Traffic equals client scaling, which equals more revenue for the provider. So long as the traffic is not overwhelming the shared resources (bandwidth, routers, the larger server pool, other clients, etc.) why should the cloud provider make any attempt to filter it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Datacenter security and Network security are entirely different things. In the case of Cloud Computing (as it is defined at the moment) you have to trust your Cloud provider to handle both. In the case of datacenter physical security it is in the provider&#8217;s best interest to have a secure facility. In the case of an &#8220;EDDoS&#8221; scenario one could argue it is NOT in the provider&#8217;s economic best interest to block an attack. Traffic equals client scaling, which equals more revenue for the provider. So long as the traffic is not overwhelming the shared resources (bandwidth, routers, the larger server pool, other clients, etc.) why should the cloud provider make any attempt to filter it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is cloud security really different than data center security? by Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point. In order to avoid this situation you need to have a very well designed security infrastructure. It is no different than what you should prepare for with your own data center environment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point. In order to avoid this situation you need to have a very well designed security infrastructure. It is no different than what you should prepare for with your own data center environment</p>
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		<dc:creator>chuck goolsbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9. How does your cloud provider differentiate between legitimate traffic, and an attempt to economically DDoS attack your cloud instance(s)? 

Let&#039;s say somebody (disgruntled ex-employee, a competitor, or just some random human) decides to point a huge botnet of hosts at your cloud based app. (if they are smart they&#039;ll slowly ramp up traffic rather than hit you a tsunami) Traffic looks legit, but doesn&#039;t do anything besides chew up compute cycles. Your provider auto-scales your resources as designed. Meanwhile your real costs just go up and up. Soon you are paying huge invoices to your cloud provider and getting nothing in return as revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9. How does your cloud provider differentiate between legitimate traffic, and an attempt to economically DDoS attack your cloud instance(s)? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say somebody (disgruntled ex-employee, a competitor, or just some random human) decides to point a huge botnet of hosts at your cloud based app. (if they are smart they&#8217;ll slowly ramp up traffic rather than hit you a tsunami) Traffic looks legit, but doesn&#8217;t do anything besides chew up compute cycles. Your provider auto-scales your resources as designed. Meanwhile your real costs just go up and up. Soon you are paying huge invoices to your cloud provider and getting nothing in return as revenue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can we free process and data? by Fast Credit Repair</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/can-we-free-process-and-data/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Fast Credit Repair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your post! Thanks!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sometimes its the little business process mistakes &#8212; not the strategy by Business Consulting Group</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/sometimes-its-the-little-business-process-mistakes-not-the-strategy/#comment-806</link>
		<dc:creator>Business Consulting Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes staying simple with your business process would allow a greater possibility of a flawless business. I am not saying that you need to escape the sophistication in that matter but if you are going to make some encryption on your process&#039; identification, you need to see to it that all error possibilities are covered during tests and dry runs so whenever you are on your way to implement a new process, you would expect it to be flawless rather than a failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes staying simple with your business process would allow a greater possibility of a flawless business. I am not saying that you need to escape the sophistication in that matter but if you are going to make some encryption on your process&#8217; identification, you need to see to it that all error possibilities are covered during tests and dry runs so whenever you are on your way to implement a new process, you would expect it to be flawless rather than a failure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Microsoft overcome the Google Sneak Attack with Yahoo? by Is there a Twitter sneak attack in our future? &#171; Judith Hurwitz&#39;s Cloud-Centric Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is there a Twitter sneak attack in our future? &#171; Judith Hurwitz&#39;s Cloud-Centric Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4, 2009 Judith Leave a comment Go to comments    Last year I wrote a post about what I called the Google Sneak attack. If you don&#8217;t feel like reading that post, I&#8217;ll make it simple for you. Google comes to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4, 2009 Judith Leave a comment Go to comments    Last year I wrote a post about what I called the Google Sneak attack. If you don&#8217;t feel like reading that post, I&#8217;ll make it simple for you. Google comes to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why all workloads don&#8217;t belong in the cloud by Judith</title>
		<link>http://jshurwitz.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/why-all-workloads-dont-belong-in-the-cloud/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments. While I agree that the provisioning aspect of cloud is a great productivity tool, it does not mean that all workloads belong in that cloud. You mention the term hosting when you talk about the environments that you company supports. There is a clear difference between applications that should be &quot;outsourced&quot; through hosting and those that should be a good fit for a cloud. I look forward to seeing your books. Our book, Cloud Computing for Dummies will be out in about a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments. While I agree that the provisioning aspect of cloud is a great productivity tool, it does not mean that all workloads belong in that cloud. You mention the term hosting when you talk about the environments that you company supports. There is a clear difference between applications that should be &#8220;outsourced&#8221; through hosting and those that should be a good fit for a cloud. I look forward to seeing your books. Our book, Cloud Computing for Dummies will be out in about a week.</p>
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